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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: thecrackhead on December 14, 2012, 11:07 am
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Just wondering, this is the last message I received from Guru...on 8th of december
Thanks for saving his ass man. You would have lost the bet as he took the photo with his HTC phone :)
I've created this just now: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=92052.0 I'd suggest you make it sticky as it might help the new waves of users coming as well as the users that dont know abaout metadata.
Cheers :)
Well, I've just been stripped of my moderator position, without an explanation, so I am not in a position to sticky anything, delete spam or do anything else. I'll stick around for another day or two, but after that, I'm deleting my account -- fuck this noise!
I don't wanna be here anymore.
Guru
Any thoughts? DPR, do you mind explaining?
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Just wondering, this is the last message I received from Guru...on 8th of december
Thanks for saving his ass man. You would have lost the bet as he took the photo with his HTC phone :)
I've created this just now: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=92052.0 I'd suggest you make it sticky as it might help the new waves of users coming as well as the users that dont know abaout metadata.
Cheers :)
Well, I've just been stripped of my moderator position, without an explanation, so I am not in a position to sticky anything, delete spam or do anything else. I'll stick around for another day or two, but after that, I'm deleting my account -- fuck this noise!
I don't wanna be here anymore.
Guru
Any thoughts? DPR, do you mind explaining?
Being made a forum mod is a privilege, not a right. You're being given the opportunity to make this community a better, safer place.
DPR is and always has been very particular about modding styles, and if it appears that any form of censorship is occurring, he/she will strip the mod of his or her rank. Not saying this is the case with Guru (indeed I have a lot of respect for Guru and his/her posts here on the forums), however it may be a possible explanation.
DPR is not obliged to explain his/her decisions, nor would it be prudent to do so in the interest of operational security.
- grahamgreene
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Holy crap I'm back! (very marginally, sadly)
After a string of ridiculous misfortune involving the loss of several of my closest friends from this community, I have to say that I'm kinda disappointed with the moderation since I was abruptly taken away from here.
Seriously. Disappointed. Especially with regards to the btc scam bullshit posted everywhere.
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I sincerely hope that I'm not violating his confidence here, but I kind of feel like I need to say something in Guru's defense... so I'll let him do it in his own words, as I think it speaks quite well of him. Guru, if you happen to read this and don't want it shared (even though your account dropped to 0 posts and then got deleted), I'll gladly remove it -- just say so. Anyway, he decided all the effort he had put in here hadn't been appreciated and didn't want to waste more of his time. Personally I can't blame him.
The last PM I received from Guru:
Quote from: SelfSovereignty on 2012-12-07 05:25:11AM
LOL... Yeah, I remember that quite well. I didn't realize until after clicking "respond" to point out it sounded real and he really needed to get it off there fast, that I had also accidentally bumped the poor guy's identity back to the top of the new posts list. Felt like an idiot for not PMing him instead after that, but hopefully I'm the only one who ended up getting a glimpse at the real identity of a new SR user ::)
You're welcome; I'm happy to help, but it's no great deed on my part. I work in the tech sector and like talking about stuff I think is cool. I think Bitcoin and SR are cool, so -- there you go :)
Thanks for the sentiment all the same though, Guru. The work you mods put in is just crazy, and it's definitely appreciated by at least some of us.
Thank you for the kind words. As you have been kind, I thought I would drop
you a brief line to let you know of the reasons for my departure -- I just
didn't to disappear and leave you hanging, as it were.
I'm leaving and not coming back. Why? Well, there has been a LOT of weird
shit going on around here over the last little while, with moderators being
stripped of their positions, without so much as a by-your-leave. I wrote
DPR asking about this, trying to get some clarification as to what the hell
is going on, and I never received even so much as an acknowledgement. Now
this has happened to me.
Nomad_Bloodbath was a Global Moderator on here; he literally was with SR
since Day 1, and he was stripped of his position. He claims it was due to
a 'hacker' who had it in for him. I don't know how one could ever verify
that, but there has been some weirdness over the last while, and just in
the last 24h or so, someone asked if the hidden moderators could take care
of a problem -- a vendor had posted an image with his GPS coordinates in it.
You could use Google Maps and be looking at the guy's front door. I did what
I could to fix this, and within a few hours of that, I essentially find
myself booted as a moderator. No rhyme, no reason, no notice.
I won't lie to you... I've lost count of the hours I've spent helping people
on here over the last 7 months or so, and being treated like this is just a
slap in the face.
Frankly, I don't need this shit, and I've made up my mind to leave and not
come back.
Thank you again for your kindness.
Guru
These guys put their hearts into building this community, and I know it's grown too large for the kind of personal attention old members may be used to or expect... but Guru deserved at least a short note of explanation. And don't try to tell me DPR has no need to even explain why somebody is no longer a mod. To be blunt, *fuck* that. It's human decency, and just because we're outlaws and drug addicts doesn't mean we can't have integrity and treat each other well.
I'm not saying DPR even has a clue what went on, mind you. Who the fuck knows who did what. That last bit is just in response to grahamgreene.
P.S. - delete this post if you really want to, admins/mods. I won't post it again or get all miffed or anything.
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
Wait wait wait a fucking second.
Our resident PGP queen is missing? That's a shade worrisome, she was a valuable asset to the safety of this community and it's new members.
pine is a dude ;D
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
Wait wait wait a fucking second.
Our resident PGP queen is missing? That's a shade worrisome, she was a valuable asset to the safety of this community and it's new members.
pine is a dude ;D
Aww man... and I was all crushing on her cute avatar and awesome brain :P
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
Wait wait wait a fucking second.
Our resident PGP queen is missing? That's a shade worrisome, she was a valuable asset to the safety of this community and it's new members.
Just checked Pine's profile, and it says he/she hasn't been active in almost 3 weeks. Ave over 5 posts a day, but nothing in 2+weeks. Hmmm. I'll second that it's a bit worrisome....one way or another.
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With the moderators gone everyone needs to take it upon themselves to take care of this place, I know we can't delete posts etc. but we can still help the noobs falling victim scams and such. It's not much but I sometimes get multiple messages a day from new members thanking me for posting my warnings that I like to do saying it saved them from losing money.
It's not much but if it helps one person it's a win a in my eyes...
Also, what does concern me is the random admins/mods popping up. I know we're not owed an explanation but I feel we deserve it when there's just random admin/mods popping up with a zero post count. Yes, I'm aware this is probably just an old member with a new account but still a explanation would be nice.
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There's a lot of things that concern me, frankly. New admins don't (place is exploding with people these days). But among the things that do, is the last thing I saw Pine say. It was in reference to DPR's movie night (the V for Vendetta thing): he posted a torrent for people to d/l the movie and watch along.
At least somebody freaked out about it, asking why he thought it was safe. I don't think he answered. Pine spoke up and said that they'd log everyone, blah-blah-blah, very rational intelligent stuff that I agreed with. DPR still didn't speak up that I saw.
That's the last I saw of Pine. It's also the last I saw of the fool who said "pfft, they wouldn't bother, no government in the world would care that much... I'm going to start my download at such-and-such a time in such-and-such a city... come and get me!"
I keep wondering wtf happened to that guy, lol.
I like your sentiment about helping out though, man. It's a nice gesture.
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There's a lot of things that concern me, frankly. New admins don't (place is exploding with people these days). But among the things that do, is the last thing I saw Pine say. It was in reference to DPR's movie night (the V for Vendetta thing): he posted a torrent for people to d/l the movie and watch along.
At least somebody freaked out about it, asking why he thought it was safe. I don't think he answered. Pine spoke up and said that they'd log everyone, blah-blah-blah, very rational intelligent stuff that I agreed with. DPR still didn't speak up that I saw.
That's the last I saw of Pine. It's also the last I saw of the fool who said "pfft, they wouldn't bother, no government in the world would care that much... I'm going to start my download at such-and-such a time in such-and-such a city... come and get me!"
I keep wondering wtf happened to that guy, lol.
I like your sentiment about helping out though, man. It's a nice gesture.
Yeah, I remember see that and that's really alarming especially coming from DPR he of all people knows that's a bad idea.
My new tinfoil hat theory is that the "Dread Pirate Roberts" theory is correct and what's actually going on, we're witnessing a change of control.
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Oops. Perhaps I've said too much :-X
LOL... well, like you said yourself -- you saw it too, so it's not like I shared some big secret. Let's not forget though, there's really nothing except circumstantial evidence, so to speak. Still... it is what it is.
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Haha, don't worry I'm not going into my copper coated cave yet. I'm just going to sit back, be safe and watch how this all plays out.
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Server seems to have changed too recently.
Never seen these 500 errors on the old server. And the page serving speed is way better now.
Worrisome!
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I'm kind of wondering how long it's going to take for this thread to disappear... though so many people have seen it by now, that if it did get deleted... panic would surely ensue.
I think the better way to handle this would be to let it die down slowly. Responding would open up the possibility for too many questions, outright deleting these posts has too big a risk of starting a serious panic when we all go "oh, SHIT..." and freak out, lol.
So yeah. Probably just us posting here again & again until we get sick of scaring each other, heh.
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Who are the moderators now, does anyone have a list?
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Thanks to all who took the time to post what they know about nomad & guru.
Geez - I'm kind of speechless ... especially since I finally worked up the nerve to PM both of them. That's why I logged on today. I wanted to ask them both wtf is going on around here & to tell them that their presence is missed. Damn. So many people are gone.
This place has not been the same since the big November debacle - weird shit IS going on. Movie night bothered me too, big time - then came to the realization that I don't know squat & that if I'm going to use this site that I need to defer to whomever is in charge.
Very bummed about nomad, guru & microRNA, they all helped me when I first got here. It won't be the same without them, it already isn't the same without them. These folks were / are part of the bedrock of this community, they helped to build this community into what it is today. They made me feel safe when I first got here and they ALWAYS made me laugh. I will miss them all very much.
Hoping you will all come back or at least tell us where you're hanging out now - oh boo hoo :'(
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I'm guessing the ones who are gone are already registered under different usernames and staying low. I wonder if they are still on the main site though.
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Gawd at least I got the chop for being an angry prick, the rest of them got the chop for treacle. Shit one.
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I'm guessing the ones who are gone are already registered under different usernames and staying low. I wonder if they are still on the main site though.
I hope you're right - that they're still here. I really depended on guru & nomad: If they signed off on something I knew it was okay...
Did a search for you to see who the new mods are (for you - I don't care) and got no results. Tried searching these positions: Mod, Moderator, Global Moderator.
No hits. Maybe we don't have any mods. Maybe I'm just too stoned. (Members>Search for Members>By Position)
I wish everyone would kiss and make-up but it doesn't as simple as all that, now does it? We NEED guru, nomad, pine & microRNA. We NEED them and this place needs them...
@Limetless - love the treacle bit :)
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Who are the moderators now, does anyone have a list?
Administrators:
Dread Pirate Roberts
inigo
Flush
Moderators:
Having scanned through the memberlist manually, there are currently no members listed as moderators within it. We either have no moderators (and the Administrators are acting as moderators) or the moderators are hidden from view on both the public forum and the memberlist.
- grahamgreene
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Not gonna lie the moment I saw Flush post and his sig said "You gotta know when to fold 'em" I immediately thought it was a message. Then I realized it's probably just paranoia, who knows....
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We need those guys back :'(
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Its quite a world away from the actual site on here you know. I mean think on the site are getting faster, buisness is as usual. With burgeoning traffic onthe site which must be lliterally be growing exponentially I cannot fathom how much work that must be for anyone let alone someone having to carefully conceal their identity the whole time. This forum is likely to be taking a back seat atm I think.
Anyway, I like to fantacise that anonymous act as body guards for sr. Im sure dpr must be seriously hooked up I cant see him being a nobody whoever he is
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... anybody else almost wonder if somebody found out who DPR was, and just... killed him? I mean for the income, for the distribution network, for taking too big a chunk out of their business... for whatever reason.
I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OF THIS *AT ALL*, lol. Don't go thinking I really mean it's likely. Just a weird thought that popped into my head.
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Would be great to hear from DPR on this.
If SR was compromised how much risk would there be for buyers and sellers? Given all addresses are encrypted and we're all using Tor it seems like it would not be a huge issue. Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible? What purpose would there be in firing all of them?
And ya, the book club thing was a huge fuck up.
EDIT: It also would not make any sense for the site to be compromised and then the new owners raise the price for a vendor account. It serves no purpose unless they are not LE.
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That's what I can't figure out. That's why suddenly, "oh, hey, what if it isn't Leo or a hand off... what if it was the fucking competition?" popped into my head.
Honestly man, I've got no answers. I just don't know. I agree though: something's fucked.
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what the fuck happened, seriously? i looked up to them since i have been here for info.
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LOL! What is this, some fucking practical joke or something? Asylum's out of the game, it seems: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=93572.0
This is seriously just getting comical. If there really is something conspiracy-like going on, my God are they fucking up keeping the status quo :P
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Lol...fuckin ell.
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Would be great to hear from DPR on this.
If SR was compromised how much risk would there be for buyers and sellers? Given all addresses are encrypted and we're all using Tor it seems like it would not be a huge issue. Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible? What purpose would there be in firing all of them?
And ya, the book club thing was a huge fuck up.
EDIT: It also would not make any sense for the site to be compromised and then the new owners raise the price for a vendor account. It serves no purpose unless they are not LE.
definitely agree about the movie night, very suspect! firing everyone is a fine move for LE though, with all the admins gone everyone is left to speculate and eventually forget the topic if it is not constantly being talked about. eliminate all those who might be able to adequately warn or understand if SR is indeed compromised seems like a logical move to me. i feel by raising vendor prices, LE could better isolate the big players and more easily track those new to the game.
it is really odd how the superstar user 'pine' ended up pointing out all the security flaws with a public linked torrent and shortly after disappears with last activity being noted on Nov. 26 >>> around the time the apparent ddos attack was going on.
maybe they are just restructuring the whole silk road site/forum and discussing reasons why would jeopardize the process... but after reading guru's quoted message this may not be the case.
i feel there is some legitimate cause for concern... regarding all these issues.
thoughts?
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Sorry for the ignorance but I'm new here, how many mods were there, did they all have go missing at the same time?
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Sorry for the ignorance but I'm new here, how many mods were there, did they all have go missing at the same time?
Nope. Little by little over the past month, more or less. Let's see... Nomad_Bloodbath, Guru, microRNA... was Pine a mod? Don't think so... should've been though, so count that...
... that's all I can think of off the top of my head. BTW, what happened to the spam busters?
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sorry about wrong info in my post, not sure if pine was a mod or not. i edited it now.
EDIT: afterthought... was Asylum the vendor who guru was talking about in his pm with you? the one who compromised his id with his gps coordinate photo?
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... maybe someone got wind of a RAT amongst the Mods? Total speculation though.
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Lol...fuckin ell.
Lim, what are your thoughts on this?
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Lol...fuckin ell.
Lim, what are your thoughts on this?
My thoughts are that I don't take an interests in the SR intrigues anymore. My thoughts are that there is no point speculating because I doubt anyone will ever really know and as well I think "Shit, at least I got axed for being obnoxious" which is I suppose cooler than getting axed for nothing if they have been axed at all and this isn't a glitch or any one of the other possibilities that it could be which is why I can't be arsed to think about it. :)
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Lol...fuckin ell.
Lim, what are your thoughts on this?
My thoughts are that I don't take an interests in the SR intrigues anymore. My thoughts are that there is no point speculating because I doubt anyone will ever really know and as well I think "Shit, at least I got axed for being obnoxious" which is I suppose cooler than getting axed for nothing if they have been axed at all and this isn't a glitch or any one of the other possibilities that it could be which is why I can't be arsed to think about it. :)
Haha yeah, I wish I could simply not care like you do. But I always give too much of a fuck about everything. Only time will tell.
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Lol...fuckin ell.
Lim, what are your thoughts on this?
My thoughts are that I don't take an interests in the SR intrigues anymore. My thoughts are that there is no point speculating because I doubt anyone will ever really know and as well I think "Shit, at least I got axed for being obnoxious" which is I suppose cooler than getting axed for nothing if they have been axed at all and this isn't a glitch or any one of the other possibilities that it could be which is why I can't be arsed to think about it. :)
Haha yeah, I wish I could simply not care like you do. But I always give too much of a fuck about everything. Only time will tell.
It's not that I don't care I just really don't have the patience for it lol.
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If shit goes sideways, there's still the SR Backup Forum (http://4eiruntyxxbgfv7o.onion/snapbbs/65b191e2/), BMR and Snuj.
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What is Snuj?
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Nomad, Guru and Micro were solid mods and are worth their weight in Bitgold to this community. And I trusted Pine and tried to learn the best security practices from him. Pine had invested so much time into the security of the community, why would she just up and leave without saying anything?
One thing I feel becomes more apparent is that DPR is no security expert. What with the trouble he has with PGP and forgetting to sign important posts, and then the V movie night. These are basic things. Is Kmf (is that his correct name) about, it's a first for me but I would actually like to hear his input on this.
Anyway, as someone already said, even if LE have taken over SR as long as you trust your vendor and always use PGP we should be OK, right???
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What exactly is V movie night? Why are people mentioning it?
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One of the things that bothers me is 1024 bit keys are not very secure anymore. I see some vendors using them as a public key. Minimum should be 2048.
just a thought on the "are we safe with encryption and TOR" question.
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What exactly is V movie night? Why are people mentioning it?
It was part of DPRs book club. Everyone was supposed to watch it at the same time and comment on it. I think Pine was worried it looked like a LE attempt to flag Silk Road users by sending them to a clearnet torrent website on a certain day at a certain time.
This is what I have gathered from others talking. I'm no expert, but would a similar thing apply to DPRs book club, and send peeps to a clearnet website with a very small user base to download the books?
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DPR posted a link to a torrent suggesting people DL it. A very unscure thing to do. Pine was shocked, limited outrage insued.
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DPR posted a link to a torrent suggesting people DL it. A very unscure thing to do. Pine was shocked, limited outrage insued.
Can you torrent it through Tor, or would that be too slow?
If you have to go clearnet then that would have been a schoolboy error on DPRs behalf!
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Oh yeah I commented on that before it got going saying Nat Portman was indeed a shag-piece even if she'd been bashed about a bit.
Don't sound great to me though....
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What is Snuj?
A new alternative market designed as a backup for SR. Its creator has been advertising it here for the last few days.
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Would be great to hear from DPR on this.
If SR was compromised how much risk would there be for buyers and sellers? Given all addresses are encrypted and we're all using Tor it seems like it would not be a huge issue. Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible? What purpose would there be in firing all of them?
[SNIP]
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EDIT: I know this is long, but I appeal to everybody to PLEASE read through it. It offers a different view on the situation to that currently being bandied about. One that is based on previous reading here before many of you joined up.
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People should be acting at all times as though the system is ALREADY compromised! I cannot understand why people are not acting this way from the second they get here. That is the ONLY way to stay vigilant. It's ridiculous how comfortable some people get here and the vast amounts of information some of them reveal throughout various posts without even realising it.
Encrypt all sensitive information between you and your vendor, do not release any personally identifying information on the forums or to another member, and tumble your Bitcoin coming to and from Silk Road. Do not rely on the Silk Road tumbler to do that for you.
As for the level of paranoia in this thread, I honestly think people need to relax a bit. The forum is complimentary to Silk Road itself - indeed it used to actually be a PART of the main site, but was moved for safety, security, and convenience purposes. As long as the main Silk Road site is up and running, even intermittently, then all is well.
As far as the moderator issue goes, there are a thousand and one possibilities why the Administrators / DPR stripped mods of their privileges. We can all keep guessing and adding to the paranoia, or we can stop, relax and look at it logically.
The spam problem has reigned in to a large degree by the introduction of captchas, and mods are no longer needed as badly as they once were for that purpose. For those of you whom have been here less than a year, you might want to go to Dread Pirate Roberts' profile and read his/her posts outline their views on agorism, libertarianism and freedom from oppression.
I have always argued that the forum needs less moderators, not more, and here is why:
When someone is chosen as a moderator they have the ability to censor member's speech here and cut discussion short. The more people chosen to be moderators, the higher the chance that you will eventually choose someone with an ulterior motive, or indeed a member of Law Enforcement. DPR previously bestowed moderator status on a member that another moderator had recommended. Such a process would be an LE 'wet dream' as they would then have two members with control of the "free speech" here on the forums, and it would enable them to direct conversation and general mood as they saw fit.
There was a guide posted quite some months ago detailing processes used to gain control of online forums, and it is a guide that is currently in use by Law Enforcement Agencies when dealing with 'cybercrime'. One of the manoeuvres used to do gain that control is by working your way up to a moderator position over a year or two, and ensuring you pull your buddies up with you. This is something that DPR is fully aware of, and is likely protecting the community against. His/her suspicions may be unfounded, but what would you all prefer: a forum controlled by LE moderators masquerading as helpful community members, nipping debates and topics in the bud before they have a chance to turn into education or action, or a forum controlled by DPR and his/her Administration team (the members of which could all even be DPR him/herself)??
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
This community, if we stick together and continue making it our goal to free ourselves from government oppression, if we stick together and continue our fight to once again make the government fear the PEOPLE, then perhaps - as a community with drive and conviction - we have a chance to free ourselves from our legislative chains once again.
Don't let paranoia get the better of you! You're still here. I'm still here. DPR is still here. Silk Road is still here. Our community is still here. Our IDEA is still here. Don't trade your freedom for the false sense of security that having moderators around provides. Rely on your own security. Act as though the system IS compromised, but keep your faith in the ultimate shared goal of freedom from oppression. Every purchase made in the underground economy - the black market - weakens their economic stranglehold over us. Every purchase made with Bitcoin weakens their economic stranglehold over us. Use this place, and Bitcoin, as a TOOL to fight injustice. But do it safely.
And again, do not let your paranoia get the better of you. When you control your own security there is no reason to be paranoid. The fact that there are no moderators here, no people with the power to silence discussion, means that freedom prevails.
- grahamgreene
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^The self-appointed voice of logic and reason has spoken. ::)
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Given all addresses are encrypted
Fuck no they're not I've seen how many people post their address in plaintext when placing orders.
lol noobs
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Would be great to hear from DPR on this.
If SR was compromised how much risk would there be for buyers and sellers? Given all addresses are encrypted and we're all using Tor it seems like it would not be a huge issue. Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible? What purpose would there be in firing all of them?
[SNIP]
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EDIT: I know this is long, but I appeal to everybody to PLEASE read through it. It offers a different view on the situation to that currently being bandied about. One that is based on previous reading here before many of you joined up.
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People should be acting at all times as though the system is ALREADY compromised! I cannot understand why people are not acting this way from the second they get here. That is the ONLY way to stay vigilant. It's ridiculous how comfortable some people get here and the vast amounts of information some of them reveal throughout various posts without even realising it.
Encrypt all sensitive information between you and your vendor, do not release any personally identifying information on the forums or to another member, and tumble your Bitcoin coming to and from Silk Road. Do not rely on the Silk Road tumbler to do that for you.
As for the level of paranoia in this thread, I honestly think people need to relax a bit. The forum is complimentary to Silk Road itself - indeed it used to actually be a PART of the main site, but was moved for safety, security, and convenience purposes. As long as the main Silk Road site is up and running, even intermittently, then all is well.
As far as the moderator issue goes, there are a thousand and one possibilities why the Administrators / DPR stripped mods of their privileges. We can all keep guessing and adding to the paranoia, or we can stop, relax and look at it logically.
The spam problem has reigned in to a large degree by the introduction of captchas, and mods are no longer needed as badly as they once were for that purpose. For those of you whom have been here less than a year, you might want to go to Dread Pirate Roberts' profile and read his/her posts outline their views on agorism, libertarianism and freedom from oppression.
I have always argued that the forum needs less moderators, not more, and here is why:
When someone is chosen as a moderator they have the ability to censor member's speech here and cut discussion short. The more people chosen to be moderators, the higher the chance that you will eventually choose someone with an ulterior motive, or indeed a member of Law Enforcement. DPR previously bestowed moderator status on a member that another moderator had recommended. Such a process would be an LE 'wet dream' as they would then have two members with control of the "free speech" here on the forums, and it would enable them to direct conversation and general mood as they saw fit.
There was a guide posted quite some months ago detailing processes used to gain control of online forums, and it is a guide that is currently in use by Law Enforcement Agencies when dealing with 'cybercrime'. One of the manoeuvres used to do gain that control is by working your way up to a moderator position over a year or two, and ensuring you pull your buddies up with you. This is something that DPR is fully aware of, and is likely protecting the community against. His/her suspicions may be unfounded, but what would you all prefer: a forum controlled by LE moderators masquerading as helpful community members, nipping debates and topics in the bud before they have a chance to turn into education or action, or a forum controlled by DPR and his/her Administration team (the members of which could all even be DPR him/herself)??
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
This community, if we stick together and continue making it our goal to free ourselves from government oppression, if we stick together and continue our fight to once again make the government fear the PEOPLE, then perhaps - as a community with drive and conviction - we have a chance to free ourselves from our legislative chains once again.
Don't let paranoia get the better of you! You're still here. I'm still here. DPR is still here. Silk Road is still here. Our community is still here. Our IDEA is still here. Don't trade your freedom for the false sense of security that having moderators around provides. Rely on your own security. Act as though the system IS compromised, but keep your faith in the ultimate shared goal of freedom from oppression. Every purchase made in the underground economy - the black market - weakens their economic stranglehold over us. Every purchase made with Bitcoin weakens their economic stranglehold over us. Use this place, and Bitcoin, as a TOOL to fight injustice. But do it safely.
And again, do not let your paranoia get the better of you. When you control your own security there is no reason to be paranoid. The fact that there are no moderators here, no people with the power to silence discussion, means that freedom prevails.
- grahamgreene
Would you like a revolutionary flag with your revolutionary happy meal? :P
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Would be great to hear from DPR on this.
If SR was compromised how much risk would there be for buyers and sellers? Given all addresses are encrypted and we're all using Tor it seems like it would not be a huge issue. Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible? What purpose would there be in firing all of them?
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EDIT: I know this is long, but I appeal to everybody to PLEASE read through it. It offers a different view on the situation to that currently being bandied about. One that is based on previous reading here before many of you joined up.
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People should be acting at all times as though the system is ALREADY compromised! I cannot understand why people are not acting this way from the second they get here. That is the ONLY way to stay vigilant. It's ridiculous how comfortable some people get here and the vast amounts of information some of them reveal throughout various posts without even realising it.
Encrypt all sensitive information between you and your vendor, do not release any personally identifying information on the forums or to another member, and tumble your Bitcoin coming to and from Silk Road. Do not rely on the Silk Road tumbler to do that for you.
As for the level of paranoia in this thread, I honestly think people need to relax a bit. The forum is complimentary to Silk Road itself - indeed it used to actually be a PART of the main site, but was moved for safety, security, and convenience purposes. As long as the main Silk Road site is up and running, even intermittently, then all is well.
As far as the moderator issue goes, there are a thousand and one possibilities why the Administrators / DPR stripped mods of their privileges. We can all keep guessing and adding to the paranoia, or we can stop, relax and look at it logically.
The spam problem has reigned in to a large degree by the introduction of captchas, and mods are no longer needed as badly as they once were for that purpose. For those of you whom have been here less than a year, you might want to go to Dread Pirate Roberts' profile and read his/her posts outline their views on agorism, libertarianism and freedom from oppression.
I have always argued that the forum needs less moderators, not more, and here is why:
When someone is chosen as a moderator they have the ability to censor member's speech here and cut discussion short. The more people chosen to be moderators, the higher the chance that you will eventually choose someone with an ulterior motive, or indeed a member of Law Enforcement. DPR previously bestowed moderator status on a member that another moderator had recommended. Such a process would be an LE 'wet dream' as they would then have two members with control of the "free speech" here on the forums, and it would enable them to direct conversation and general mood as they saw fit.
There was a guide posted quite some months ago detailing processes used to gain control of online forums, and it is a guide that is currently in use by Law Enforcement Agencies when dealing with 'cybercrime'. One of the manoeuvres used to do gain that control is by working your way up to a moderator position over a year or two, and ensuring you pull your buddies up with you. This is something that DPR is fully aware of, and is likely protecting the community against. His/her suspicions may be unfounded, but what would you all prefer: a forum controlled by LE moderators masquerading as helpful community members, nipping debates and topics in the bud before they have a chance to turn into education or action, or a forum controlled by DPR and his/her Administration team (the members of which could all even be DPR him/herself)??
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
This community, if we stick together and continue making it our goal to free ourselves from government oppression, if we stick together and continue our fight to once again make the government fear the PEOPLE, then perhaps - as a community with drive and conviction - we have a chance to free ourselves from our legislative chains once again.
Don't let paranoia get the better of you! You're still here. I'm still here. DPR is still here. Silk Road is still here. Our community is still here. Our IDEA is still here. Don't trade your freedom for the false sense of security that having moderators around provides. Rely on your own security. Act as though the system IS compromised, but keep your faith in the ultimate shared goal of freedom from oppression. Every purchase made in the underground economy - the black market - weakens their economic stranglehold over us. Every purchase made with Bitcoin weakens their economic stranglehold over us. Use this place, and Bitcoin, as a TOOL to fight injustice. But do it safely.
And again, do not let your paranoia get the better of you. When you control your own security there is no reason to be paranoid. The fact that there are no moderators here, no people with the power to silence discussion, means that freedom prevails.
- grahamgreene
Meh, no offense but I fell like the post is a lot of talking without really saying anything...
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Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
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Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
But don't forget that we're the...
biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date.
;D
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Lol and if you believe that then you really do need to be put out to pasture. ;D
It amazes me how eagerly people overplay peoples intentions when they use SR like in this bit here -
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
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Can anyone login? I keep getting that my credentials are incorrect
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Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible?
At least for appearance's sake.
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Lol and if you believe that then you really do need to be put out to pasture. ;D
It amazes me how eagerly people overplay peoples intentions when they use SR like in this bit here -
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
So true. I am tired of reading posts from 15 year olds who want to score some free pot by trying to make everything sound noble and enlightened.
We are buying and selling drugs people, not curing cancer. Should it be illegal? Absolutely not. Should we try and exaggerate our real intentions and compare everything in our "fight" to that of the French Enlightenment? Not unless we want to become total douches.
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Additionally, if SR was compromised, wouldn't the new owners keep the mods on to make sure everything stayed as normal as possible?
At least for appearance's sake.
What other reason would there be? :D
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cmon dudes can you log in? I am pretty sure I haven't changed my password recently :/
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Lol and if you believe that then you really do need to be put out to pasture. ;D
It amazes me how eagerly people overplay peoples intentions when they use SR like in this bit here -
Maybe some people are just here for the drugs but I'm here for the revolution =/
The attitude that all the revolutionary talk is just being over the top only makes it harder to get the ball rolling.
"Nah, man, we're not that special we're just addicts." Fuck that attitude. Every one of us is special, addict or not, conscious revolutionary or not, we're all a part of this and it is the beginning of something much bigger than you seem to expect.
Lol you are putting words in my mouth. I am not saying "We're all just addicts" either. It's a business opportunity and an extremely clever one at that and that's what I'm here for, to make money. And I think you vastly overestimate the value of SR in comparison to deals done by major cartels. Lets be real, SR process about say $30mil per year (so says the study). That's about the size of one average medium weight coke importers single transaction.... Get a few more years on yourself kid and you'll see things a little clearer. It's nice to be young and idealistic but it doesn't last forever. :)
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cmon dudes can you log in? I am pretty sure I haven't changed my password recently :/
Create a thread for it man. Come on.
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Lol and if you believe that then you really do need to be put out to pasture. ;D
It amazes me how eagerly people overplay peoples intentions when they use SR like in this bit here -
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
So true. I am tired of reading posts from 15 year olds who want to score some free pot by trying to make everything sound noble and enlightened.
We are buying and selling drugs people, not curing cancer. Should it be illegal? Absolutely not. Should we try and exaggerate our real intentions and compare everything in our "fight" to that of the French Enlightenment? Not unless we want to become total douches.
IKR. Like in the extract from that diatribe of bullshit I posted. I will even take myself for an example.
Why do I sell drugs - To make bank. Drug dealers are rarely revolutionaries.
Why do I impart knowledge about washing cash to the community? "Is it because it makes you feel a warm glow Mr Limetless?" Nope! Because I make a lot of money doing it.
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Lol you are putting words in my mouth. I am not saying "We're all just addicts" either. It's a business opportunity and an extremely clever one at that and that's what I'm here for, to make money. And I think you vastly overestimate the value of SR in comparison to deals done by major cartels. Lets be real, SR process about say $30mil per year (so says the study). That's about the size of one average medium weight coke importers single transaction.... Get a few more years on yourself kid and you'll see things a little clearer. It's nice to be young and idealistic but it doesn't last forever. :)
Addicted to money, dude, addicted to money, it's just another drug. Don't take the words I put in anyone's mouths so literally.
I'm more idealistic every fucking day, and that's not going to change. I was a cynical fucking kid and I'm glad to have changed that.
Fella, just because you were cynical at 15 and now you're at university and have read a few books doesn't 1. mean you aren't a kid and 2. mean you aren't still very naive.
And I'm not addicted to money at all, I just appreciate it and like to have nice things and a tidy lifestyle. Let's not get all socialist-kibbutz about this shit. The 60s were over 42 years back.
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The 60's are still going on man, right here. *points to my head* I will never cease to aspire to bring that revolutionary spirit to those who care to listen.
Oh I'm sure you wont sweetheart, and the world shall most certainly continue to think you are a precocious fuck because of it! ;)
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Oh.. I thought it was related to the paranoia theme going on in this thread.. but alrighy :)
cmon dudes can you log in? I am pretty sure I haven't changed my password recently :/
Create a thread for it man. Come on.
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I was cynical at 10, thank you. I'm a kid sometimes but not all the time anymore.
And fuck me this post is hilarious. Let me guess, this translates into you are saying you have now learned how to use the big boy toilet but you still shit yourself sometimes. It's either that or you have just got your period so now you are a woman but just a young one.
Stupid fucker.
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Lol you are putting words in my mouth. I am not saying "We're all just addicts" either. It's a business opportunity and an extremely clever one at that and that's what I'm here for, to make money. And I think you vastly overestimate the value of SR in comparison to deals done by major cartels. Lets be real, SR process about say $30mil per year (so says the study). That's about the size of one average medium weight coke importers single transaction.... Get a few more years on yourself kid and you'll see things a little clearer. It's nice to be young and idealistic but it doesn't last forever. :)
Limetless? I hope you're saying drug cartels wouldn't have any interest in this place ... that it's chump change for them ...
I'm careful about where I get my weed - I don't want to buy from a cartel. IRL I would only buy from growers I knew to be the growers of the stuff they were peddling - I was lucky to be that close to my connection. Here, granted we have no way to know who we're really dealing with but I like to think I'm buying from a small business or from the grower / farmer.
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Is there any way to unsubscribe from a thread?
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Lol you are putting words in my mouth. I am not saying "We're all just addicts" either. It's a business opportunity and an extremely clever one at that and that's what I'm here for, to make money. And I think you vastly overestimate the value of SR in comparison to deals done by major cartels. Lets be real, SR process about say $30mil per year (so says the study). That's about the size of one average medium weight coke importers single transaction.... Get a few more years on yourself kid and you'll see things a little clearer. It's nice to be young and idealistic but it doesn't last forever. :)
Limetless? I hope you're saying drug cartels wouldn't have any interest in this place ... that it's chump change for them ...
I'm careful about where I get my weed - I don't want to buy from a cartel. IRL I would only buy from growers I knew to be the growers of the stuff they were peddling - I was lucky to be that close to my connection. Here, granted we have no way to know who we're really dealing with but I like to think I'm buying from a small business or from the grower / farmer.
Weed is a different kind of business to chemical drugs. Like chalk and cheese because of Cannabis's low value to it's weight.
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One thing I've noticed about this community is that it tends to be skeptical and suspicious to the point of paranoia, which you would think is a good thing, but 90% of the time people are spooked by the wrong things. Some examples. During the downtime, people were claiming that DPR was running off with their money. Their evidence was that they transferred BTC to their SR address and a few hours later saw it transferred out. They mistook the normal tumbler behavior for a conspiracy to steal their money. Another example is the guy who saw a uniformed police officer in a marked police car outside the post office and thought LE was after him. Do you really think LE would be that obvious? The more likely explanation is that it was mere coincidence. Cops sit in their cars all over town and that day a cop happened to be parked outside that post office. If it was an investigation against him, they blew it big time.
That's why I think the de-modding and disappearance of some prominent forum members is too conspicuous to be a power transfer. If LE took over the site, I don't think they'd be that obvious. The forum isn't that important, and they would want to make everything look as normal as possible, so why not leave the mods on the forum while concentrating their investigation on the main site?
I have an alternative hypothesis, and this is why I'm writing under an alt. We'll see if this gets deleted.
It's obvious that several prominent people disappeared right around the downtime. I believe that DPR needed help fixing the site and they became members of DPR's team. Of course, they and DPR wouldn't want anyone to know they were members of the team. However, they would be privy to secret information about the site, and the best way to ensure they don't accidentally say something publicly that they shouldn't know was to say nothing. So they either stopped posting or their posts have slowed to a trickle.
That may not explain everyone's disappearance, but I believe it explains some people's disappearance.
As for the de-modding, who are these new admins? The team members were promoted and the old mods might have been in a position to figure out who they are. So they had to be demoted.
If you think I'm giving something away, chances are LE has already thought of this.
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As for myself, I've always been lurching in the backround reading whats going on/the SR community "pulse" so to speak.
I have to say since the outages, the site hasn't been the save. I can't totally give specific examples, but there have been things that
just dont add up lately.
While I agree with the vendor account increase, etc, I would have to say, make surer you do your own diligence when it comes to common
sense/security. Yes, the site has been as popular as it has ever been, and that leads to other ways of thinking. Especially when there are
a ton more users to replace those that get annoymed and bolt.
While its not blatently obvious, if you notice, more and more products are getting insaanely expensive as the BTC prices is creeping up every day. It used to be, vendors would keep the prices hedged, so the price would stay the same with the fluctuations. Not anymore,
most stay the same so the greedy vendors can collect even more loot.
dd
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As for myself, I've always been lurching in the backround reading whats going on/the SR community "pulse" so to speak.
I have to say since the outages, the site hasn't been the save. I can't totally give specific examples, but there have been things that
just dont add up lately.
While I agree with the vendor account increase, etc, I would have to say, make surer you do your own diligence when it comes to common
sense/security. Yes, the site has been as popular as it has ever been, and that leads to other ways of thinking. Especially when there are
a ton more users to replace those that get annoymed and bolt.
While its not blatently obvious, if you notice, more and more products are getting insaanely expensive as the BTC prices is creeping up every day. It used to be, vendors would keep the prices hedged, so the price would stay the same with the fluctuations. Not anymore,
most stay the same so the greedy vendors can collect even more loot.
dd
Hedging does not effect an item's price.
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The 60s were over 42 years back.
He's got it all figured out ::)
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Apologies for the incredibly long post. It's formatted with quotes so as you can all read the individual replies to you without having to read everything, if you so wish.
^The self-appointed voice of logic and reason has spoken. ::)
Indeed. I pride myself on employing logic and reason to deduce the probability of an occurrence rather than engaging in hysterical paranoia stemming from a lack of any evidence to support the theories resulting in said paranoia.
You don't have to agree with what I said, obviously - that is the beauty of free speech.
However, before disagreeing with it I do hope you read the post in its entirety, not just the first few lines which would produce an opinion based on an assumption.
Lol and if you believe that then you really do need to be put out to pasture. ;D
It amazes me how eagerly people overplay peoples intentions when they use SR like in this bit here -
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. They are an idea. They are a proof of a concept. And they harbour a community that represents the biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date. A community with very knowledgeable, very intelligent members, all contributing to the education of their peers and debating honestly and openly without fear of retribution or government interference. We're outgrowing the womb of oppression that we've been confined to for decades; we're growing and finding our feet, and those at the top are beginning to feel the first tremors of those feet marching on in solidarity and resistance.
Meh, no offense but I fell like the post is a lot of talking without really saying anything...
None taken NOTspacecase, but what I was getting at is that a moderated forum does not encourage free speech, nor freedom of any kind. It encourages censorship, which, if you read DPR's original posts (from the time he/she was 'Silk Road') is an idea that that he/she staunchly opposes.
Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
Limetless, I know you're in this purely for the money, as are many, many others. I work in a drop-shipping capacity so I, too, make a relatively large amount of money from Silk Road. I'm no "hippie revolutionary" - I'm not a recreational drug user at all, and I have developed a genuine disgust with governmental control, which is quite the opposite of how I viewed things just 2 years ago when I was completely pro-capitalism.
I'm trying to appeal to people's logical side regarding the moderator issue. Perhaps I laid on the 'revolution' rhetoric a little too heavily, and for those of you who may have been offended by it, I offer my apologies. However, it does not take away from the legitimacy of the words that preceded it regarding security issues and freedom of expression, nor the core principles that this incredible marketplace operates upon.
Would you like a revolutionary flag with your revolutionary happy meal? :P
:P Does it come with a mini Ché Guevara bobble-head? If so, I'll take two. Can never have too many Ché bobble-heads! Have to outdo the Anti-Joneses living in tent number 3 over in Hate-the-Government Alley. Bloody communists!
But don't forget that we're the...
biggest threat to the status quo that has existed to date.
;D
Perhaps stating that we are "the biggest" threat that has existed to the status-quo to date was a tad over the top, but when we take the necessary security precautions, we are untouchable by the governments that wish to control us. Their regular methods for fighting their 'drug wars' (declaring war on inanimate objects and ideas is ridiculous, I'm sure you'd agree?) don't work when attempting to fight us. We are outside of their control; history shows that that which a government cannot control is regarded as a threat, and needs to be eliminated. They cannot hope to eliminate us, nor hope to eliminate the IDEA behind this place - hence we represent a major threat to them and the existing state of affairs, otherwise known as the status-quo.
Lol and if you believe that then you really do need to be put out to pasture. ;D
It amazes me how eagerly people overplay peoples intentions when they use SR like in this bit here -
Silk Road - and its associated forums - are more than just a place to 'score drugs'. [SNIP]
I did not overplay people's intentions Limetless, I stated that Silk Road and the forums here, this community, are more than just a place to score drugs. It is what this market REPRESENTS that I am getting at here; not all of us are consumed with a lust for currency. I was a long time ago, but I realised that money is essentially valueless. It is simply a means to experience things which one could otherwise not experience without it. Don't get me wrong, I do ENJOY my money, but it has no actual VALUE to me and I'm incredibly glad of that. It is clear that money has a very high value to you; that is your prerogative though, which is no less valid than mine, and I respect your views on money. I simply think differently to you.
Getting back to the matter at hand, however, I should think that you of all people would know how ridiculous it is to suspect something without any evidence to suggest that it is true. I vehemently defended your innocence when others implicated you in the v1ad1m1r scam simply because you're both British, both enjoyed working with money, and conversed now and again. There was no evidence to suggest that you played any part in that scam, yet people were calling for your head over it. All incredibly illogical and borne from hysterical paranoia, which had absolutely no basis or evidence to back it up. ??? The moderator issue currently under discussion shares the exact same principles.
Maybe some people are just here for the drugs but I'm here for the revolution =/
The attitude that all the revolutionary talk is just being over the top only makes it harder to get the ball rolling.
"Nah, man, we're not that special we're just addicts." Fuck that attitude. Every one of us is special, addict or not, conscious revolutionary or not, we're all a part of this and it is the beginning of something much bigger than you seem to expect.
I appreciate a like-minded individual's input on this, and one who can put it so succinctly in such few words.
That's exactly what I was getting at: "conscious revolutionary or not, we're all a part of this and it is the beginning of something much bigger than you seem to expect."
So true. I am tired of reading posts from 15 year olds who want to score some free pot by trying to make everything sound noble and enlightened.
We are buying and selling drugs people, not curing cancer. Should it be illegal? Absolutely not. Should we try and exaggerate our real intentions and compare everything in our "fight" to that of the French Enlightenment? Not unless we want to become total douches.
How does one "score some free pot by trying to make everything sound noble and enlightened"? ??? I genuinely don't see how anybody could think that would encourage someone to provide them with free drugs. ???
We are indeed buying and selling drugs, but it is the IDEA that Silk Road represents that is revolutionary. It is that idea that has the potential to change how we conduct our day-to-day business. Silk Road won't be around forever, but it is a proof of concept that something like this CAN be done, and will be done again. DPR him/herself stated their reasons for wanting to set up a place like this. They don't need to attempt to engage people with 'revolutionary spiel' - it does not benefit them at all business-wise to do so. He/she does it because they do not lack the courage of their conviction. And that is obvious from the marketplace that they have provided here. Sure, it's an excellent business as well, I'm not disputing that at all, but I am saying that it is more than just a business, at least to DPR and many others here.
Lol you are putting words in my mouth. I am not saying "We're all just addicts" either. It's a business opportunity and an extremely clever one at that and that's what I'm here for, to make money. And I think you vastly overestimate the value of SR in comparison to deals done by major cartels. Lets be real, SR process about say $30mil per year (so says the study). That's about the size of one average medium weight coke importers single transaction.... Get a few more years on yourself kid and you'll see things a little clearer. It's nice to be young and idealistic but it doesn't last forever. :)
I know this wasn't in reply to me, but Lim you're not getting the point here. Silk Road represents something more than just a place to buy drugs - that's as simple as I can put it. Surely you realise that, at least?! ???
One thing I've noticed about this community is that it tends to be skeptical and suspicious to the point of paranoia, which you would think is a good thing, but 90% of the time people are spooked by the wrong things. Some examples. During the downtime, people were claiming that DPR was running off with their money. Their evidence was that they transferred BTC to their SR address and a few hours later saw it transferred out. They mistook the normal tumbler behavior for a conspiracy to steal their money. [SNIP]
I agree with this wholeheartedly; that was another point that I was attempting to get across, thank you 'mystery poster'! Not sure I'd agree with your hypothesis though, I don't think DPR would be quite so lax with security. As I mentioned in my original post in this thread, a member of LE would attempt to make themselves a valuable, highly regarded member of this community, encouraging a degree of trust as it seems like they are 'looking out for you'. LE has no interest in the buyers, and the ones tasked with attacking Silk Road likely have no interest in the vendors. They want positions of trust here. As such, I highly doubt DPR would choose a valuable member of this community to join his/her team of Administrators or tech-heads.
- grahamgreene
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You would be surprised with the people starting threads trying to make SR a free for all, get free samples, encouraging everyone to abandon money and live some idealistic free love/free drug haven.
And Che Guevara was a murderer, a sadist and a severely twisted individual. He has been idealized by a bunch of psuedo intellectual assholes in Universities. If anyone researches him for more than 20 minutes they will quickly see that he achieved what he did through mass murder. He is NOT a role model or a revolutionary. Pisses me off to see morons who buy into that marketing crap. Wearing T shirts and stupid shit,and they have no idea the man is a south american hitler.
He LIVED IN A FUCKING MANSION IN CUBA!!! HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE EXECUTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE...PEOPLE LIKE US.
"Ironically enough, the same rebellious youths who wear Che Guevara shirts most likely would've been targeted by Guevara had they grown up in Cuba. Guevara considered anyone who listened to rock and roll music, who wore his hair long, or who spoke up against him a delinquent. His very goal was to, "make individualism disappear from the nation!" He considered it, "criminal to think of individuals!" Perhaps these young American individualists should think twice before brandishing the picture of a man who persecuted "hippies, homosexuals, free-thinkers and poets," and who employed constant surveillance, control, and repression.
For some, these actions can be defended as necessary for Guevara to achieve his ultimate objective of the betterment of the people of Cuba. But I wager that supporters would have a harder job defending Guevara's position as Fidel's chief executioner. In a passage from his famous "Motorcycle Diaries," he quotes himself as saying, "My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood." At the same time, he wrote a letter to his father describing his newfound hobby, "I'd like to confess, Papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing." "
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You would be surprised with the people starting threads trying to make SR a free for all, get free samples, encouraging everyone to abandon money and live some idealistic free love/free drug haven.
I have been around here for a year and I am yet to see something of that sort. Perhaps I am not looking in the right places (or indeed, not looking in the wrong places!) but perhaps when people discuss such a topic you are confusing the economic term of 'free market', denoting a market free of restriction in the form of government control or taxes with an actual "free" market where nobody pays for anything? ???
It is also apparent from your previous posts that you are not opposed to partaking in free samples yourself.. "People in glass houses" and all that. :P
And Che Guevara was a murderer, a sadist and a severely twisted individual. He has been idealized by a bunch of psuedo intellectual assholes in Universities. If anyone researches him for more than 20 minutes they will quickly see that he achieved what he did through mass murder. He is NOT a role model or a revolutionary. Pisses me off to see morons who buy into that marketing crap. Wearing T shirts and stupid shit,and they have no idea the man is a south american hitler.
He LIVED IN A FUCKING MANSION IN CUBA!!! HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE EXECUTIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE...PEOPLE LIKE US.
"Ironically enough, the same rebellious youths who wear Che Guevara shirts most likely would've been targeted by Guevara had they grown up in Cuba. Guevara considered anyone who listened to rock and roll music, who wore his hair long, or who spoke up against him a delinquent. His very goal was to, "make individualism disappear from the nation!" He considered it, "criminal to think of individuals!" Perhaps these young American individualists should think twice before brandishing the picture of a man who persecuted "hippies, homosexuals, free-thinkers and poets," and who employed constant surveillance, control, and repression.
For some, these actions can be defended as necessary for Guevara to achieve his ultimate objective of the betterment of the people of Cuba. But I wager that supporters would have a harder job defending Guevara's position as Fidel's chief executioner. In a passage from his famous "Motorcycle Diaries," he quotes himself as saying, "My nostrils dilate while savoring the acrid odor of gunpowder and blood." At the same time, he wrote a letter to his father describing his newfound hobby, "I'd like to confess, Papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing." "
I thought that my sarcasm - in reply to a tongue-in-cheek comment from Lim - would have been evident from the "Ché bobble-heads" suggestion.. The things people sometimes have in their cars with oversized heads that.. well.. bobble?! ???
I am not debating the merits of, or methods employed by, Ché Guevara in the pursuit of his goals; I am, however, standing by the points I made in relation to Silk Road being revolutionary, and that it is more than "just a business", both to its creator, and many of its users.
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standing by the points I made in relation to Silk Road being revolutionary, and that it is more than "just a business", both to its creator, and many of its users.
Amazed that anyone would even argue this, obviously even the most gangster person in the entire wide world that doesn't even carry mdma or ketamine should be able to admit this..
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Is there any way to unsubscribe from a thread?
you said it. this thread sure turned into a cluster fuck very quickly. forums are fun.
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are molly and ketamine "gangster"? 8)
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Apparently it's not gangster enough ::)
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Just wondering, this is the last message I received from Guru...on 8th of december
Thanks for saving his ass man. You would have lost the bet as he took the photo with his HTC phone :)
I've created this just now: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=92052.0 I'd suggest you make it sticky as it might help the new waves of users coming as well as the users that dont know abaout metadata.
Cheers :)
Well, I've just been stripped of my moderator position, without an explanation, so I am not in a position to sticky anything, delete spam or do anything else. I'll stick around for another day or two, but after that, I'm deleting my account -- fuck this noise!
I don't wanna be here anymore.
Guru
Any thoughts? DPR, do you mind explaining?
All I can say about this situation is that my confidence in the security and infrastructure of the Silk Road has hit an all time low.
We have Mods getting stripped of there rights left and right with no reason given and no word from DPR. It doesn’t exactly inspire consumer confidence.
But saying that I just made another order today even with all this BS going on. The only advice I can give is always encrypt your address with PGP.
Lets hope this all just turns out to be just some random forum glitch...
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DPR deserves praises for launching SR but admin skills are quite poor (something that runs in the scene obviously).
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Well... let's see if a little logic can help us out here... So we have several possibilities:
1) DPR is still DPR.
2) DPR is not DPR, because...
2a) DPR is now Leo
2b) DPR is now whoever the prior DPR handed the name off to
2c) DPR was forcibly replaced because of the high income that requires zero work, basically
So in what circumstances are these possible, and what actions do they necessitate on our parts:
1) I have no idea. If he was as clueless when he tried to start this place as he has been the past month or two about basic security practices, I simply cannot imagine it ever working. To even know enough to trust a hidden Tor service to keep you hidden (or to even know they fucking existed), the man would need to know more than he's exhibited in the past month or two.
Conclusion: I don't think this is possible. This is my personal opinion. If I've forgotten some critical piece of evidence, by all means, speak up. But I don't think I have.
Solution: there isn't one. The old DPR did a great job. The new one can't even be bothered to answer a question here and there let alone do anything useful. The end.
2a) The government has enormous resources. And contrary to what a number of people around here seem to think, there are a great many geniuses who play for their side. It wouldn't surprise me if they found a way to track down the server and just staked it out until somebody walked up to it.
Conclusion: possible, but unlikely. Occam's razor would suggest that linguistic forensics and profiling identified him, but really, it doesn't matter. We all agree -- there's lots of ways Leo could be running the site.
Solution (buyers): do not order from anyone who uses a PGP key with less than 2048 bits. And for God's sake, don't ever send your address to the site unencrypted. My favorite vendor uses a 1024 bit DSA for his primary key (DSA cannot encrypt, it can only sign) and a 512 bit ElGamal subkey (which is what's used if you encrypt with his public key). This means I can no longer order from him. Fuck. I suggest you all take a quick look at your own vendors and decide if you want to risk it or not. Once you make that decision, it's business as usual.
Solution (sellers): use better fucking keys God damn it; 2048 bits minimum. Use a DSA/RSA or RSA/RSA primary key/subkey combination. Again, DSA cannot encrypt, it can only sign. Whichever of your keys CAN encrypt is what's used to do so, so if your subkey is 512 bits and it's used to encrypt, our "encryption" of our addresses is virtually useless. Bad for us, bad for our freedom, therefore bad for your profits. This needs to be fixed if your key is broken. Then it's business as usual.
2b) the replacement was not properly vetted.
Conclusion: he's not competent to protect himself let alone anyone else.
Solution: Act according to 2a, the situation is no different. If he can see your address, consider it a threat (whether out of maliciousness or ignorance doesn't change the fact that in both cases, it's a threat). After that, though, it's -- yet again -- business as usual.
2c) DPR deserved better, but maybe he let it slip one night in a bar to the wrong guy. Who knows.
Conclusion: The new replacement is incompetent.
Solution: see 2a. Then business as usual.
... see what I'm getting at here? Expand your precautions if you aren't acting according to 2a. It's a small hassle that's well worth it. You're investing in your own continued freedom. This is dangerous business we all conduct every single day here. It gets comfortable, we laugh about it, but they're trying -- right this second -- to stop all of us from laughing for many, many years to come. They are out to get me. They are out to get you. And yes, they're working together. You are not paranoid. Protect yourself. No one else will.
And then... as far as I'm concerned, it's business as usual. Critiques?
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The disaperence of pine worry's me. No limitless post on this page yet :(
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standing by the points I made in relation to Silk Road being revolutionary, and that it is more than "just a business", both to its creator, and many of its users.
Amazed that anyone would even argue this, obviously even the most gangster person in the entire wide world that doesn't even carry mdma or ketamine should be able to admit this..
Lol.... ::)
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I received the same message from Guru as SelfSovereignty posted, if you look at Guru's profile he's a guest, meaning he's deleted his account, losing him is a big loss for our forums, I enjoyed reading his posts, he's a very knowledgeable person with a good heart, I will miss him, and I'm sure many others feel the same way too. There are no known moderators or spam busters presently on the forums, everyone has been stripped. The only moderators left, as such, are the administrators Inigo, Flush, and of course DPR (even Indica|Sativa has been stripped), who are always invisible. It's DPR's right to run the forums whichever way he/she/they wish to, stripping a long serving moderator or spam buster without reason is harsh, but we need to accept this is not a normal forum due to its nature, and there may be a very good reason why DPR needs to keep it private. I presume the mass stripping went in line with the addition of captchas, no way could three very busy administrators keep up with the sheer amount of spam previously, there may be hidden moderators we will never know about, and certainly whenever I report spam it gets deleted, sometimes very quickly, indicating an invisible presence. Wherever pine has gone, I hope she's okay, she provided an invaluable service to our forums. On the positive side the spam has drastically decreased, I haven't seen the pages and pages of spam there used to be, it's still annoying, and the occasional newbie will fall for it, but it's a great improvement. I've got nobody to slip a coin to now when I feel they've done a good job moderating or spam busting, next time that coin will go to the spare coins thread, I’ll try to help as many genuine members as I can with it. Despite all the moderators and spam busters being stripped I hope some of them stay active as they are great contributors.
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SelfSovereignty I've been having the same internal dialogues I've personally ruled out LEO as I don't believe they would allow this site to continue to run if they had gained access. Past behavior of how the government dealt with online poker, mp3s, torrents etc. I figure if they had acquired SR they would shut it down Loudly, publicly and quickly. I personally based on knowing the character DPR's storyline am leaning towards your 2b that the name/operation was passed off to a new DPR with the old DPR lurking in the background assisting with the transition but I think the November downtime was part of a hand off to the new DPR and he is way more worried about suring up the market side of SR and will hopefully stray over to the forums soon to get more acclimated. In my mind this explains the dismissing of the mods, I know if I had taken over I'd want no-one to have anymore privileges than absolutely necessary, I'd lock everything down and slowly loosen the reins with my people in place. But hell what do I know.....In the meantime I'm also being a little more security conscious a bit paranoid....mods disappearing, no DPR posts that I've noticed, and because it seems there where some wholesale changes. Interested to see what happens next.
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OLD: "The SR wiki is the Wiki that has the link to the phishing site? Is this true? I thought it was fucking wikipedia, but somebody just posted saying it's the SR Wiki. If I hadn't been encrypting destinations for orders for months already, I'd be fucking wiping my hard drive right now."
Edit: I've looked extensively and I can't find this supposed link to the phishing site. I think somebody fucked up and said the wrong thing; sorry about bumping this whole thing for a mistake...
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If I hadn't been encrypting destinations for orders for months already, I'd be fucking wiping my hard drive right now.
Are you saying you store addresses?
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... why does everyone think I'm anything other than a functioning junkie? LOL! It's sweet and all that you guys see me as "one of you," but I've never sold a drug in my life. I'm here for the cleanest meth I can find, plus the occasional random stimulant to try for fun.
Do I store addresses? Yes, I have a record of my own address, I admit that 8)
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... why does everyone think I'm anything other than a functioning junkie? LOL! It's sweet and all that you guys see me as "one of you," but I've never sold a drug in my life. I'm here for the cleanest meth I can find, plus the occasional random stimulant to try for fun.
Do I store addresses? Yes, I have a record of my own address, I admit that 8)
Sketchy.
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... why does everyone think I'm anything other than a functioning junkie? LOL! It's sweet and all that you guys see me as "one of you," but I've never sold a drug in my life. I'm here for the cleanest meth I can find, plus the occasional random stimulant to try for fun.
Do I store addresses? Yes, I have a record of my own address, I admit that 8)
Sketchy.
For context man, I get PMs asking me questions sometimes, in IRC they assume I'm a vendor -- for some reason this seems to happen to me all the time. I can barely handle the stress of ordering meth, I'd have a nervous breakdown if I tried to sell. I'm just being honest here, Lim. I'm not built for the kind of anxiety that it would cause me. Do I want to? Fuck yeah, who doesn't want quick cash. Am I willing to risk my freedom in that way? No. Not at all.
I don't know what you find sketchy... other than my comment about wiping my hard drive being nonsensical, since if they don't catch me with anything, I'm fine if I keep my mouth shut. I was being metaphoric, honestly. I've got too many years of good porn to go throwing them away so easily ;)
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I can barely handle the stress of ordering meth, I'd have a nervous breakdown if I tried to sell. I'm just being honest here, Lim. I'm not built for the kind of anxiety that it would cause me.
Eh, that's nothing a bar of Xanax couldn't solve ;D
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Whether your here for the revolutionary evolution of mankind or not, if it wasn't for the concepts of Agorism and Austrian economics, then this site would have never been created. And compare our site, driven by the spirit of changing the world, to other sites such as BMR who are only here for the money. Notice a difference? Deny it or embrace it, completely up to you, but its hard to ignore the obvious. Also, what ideas do you think inspired the creation of bitcoin itself? Just some criminal's scheme to get around the law? Nope. This place is only possible because of those who think they can change the world, and so far I'd say it seems to be working. :)
As for the whole Mod issue. Stop with the conspiracies guys. You always rush to them whenever anything happens that we don't send out memo's about. We have our hands seriously full right now, and the forum is unfortunately just a secondary priority in comparison to the main site. I will talk to DPR and get some kind of explanation or official update for you guys. Just please try to understand how busy we are and be patient.
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Whether your here for the revolutionary evolution of mankind or not, if it wasn't for the concepts of Agorism and Austrian economics, then this site would have never been created. And compare our site, driven by the spirit of changing the world, to other sites such as BMR who are only here for the money. Notice a difference? Deny it or embrace it, completely up to you, but its hard to ignore the obvious. Also, what ideas do you think inspired the creation of bitcoin itself? Just some criminal's scheme to get around the law? Nope. This place is only possible because of those who think they can change the world, and so far I'd say it seems to be working. :)
As for the whole Mod issue. Stop with the conspiracies guys. You always rush to them whenever anything happens that we don't send out memo's about. We have our hands seriously full right now, and the forum is unfortunately just a secondary priority in comparison to the main site. I will talk to DPR and get some kind of explanation or official update for you guys. Just please try to understand how busy we are and be patient.
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Sorry if we paranoid people get on the admins' nerves every now and then :D
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Well, it's not like this shouldn't have been expected. You can't just demod everyone and expect us all to look the other way like it never happened...
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Well, with sheer tonnage of psychostimulants flowing through SR can you blame us for getting a little paranoid? Fuck we were sharing stories reminiscing about shadow people a few threads ago...
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No trust me I completely understand and fully expect it out of these forums by now. :P
But I do wonder how many conspiracy theories have to be debunked before the collective mood here calms down and decides to wait for evidence before assuming the worst?
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Whether your here for the revolutionary evolution of mankind or not, if it wasn't for the concepts of Agorism and Austrian economics, then this site would have never been created. And compare our site, driven by the spirit of changing the world, to other sites such as BMR who are only here for the money. Notice a difference? Deny it or embrace it, completely up to you, but its hard to ignore the obvious. Also, what ideas do you think inspired the creation of bitcoin itself? Just some criminal's scheme to get around the law? Nope. This place is only possible because of those who think they can change the world, and so far I'd say it seems to be working. :)
As for the whole Mod issue. Stop with the conspiracies guys. You always rush to them whenever anything happens that we don't send out memo's about. We have our hands seriously full right now, and the forum is unfortunately just a secondary priority in comparison to the main site. I will talk to DPR and get some kind of explanation or official update for you guys. Just please try to understand how busy we are and be patient.
+1 thank-you for your input inigo.
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But I do wonder how many conspiracy theories have to be debunked before the collective mood here calms down and decides to wait for evidence before assuming the worst?
You do know that'll never happen, right? ;D
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But I do wonder how many conspiracy theories have to be debunked before the collective mood here calms down and decides to wait for evidence before assuming the worst?
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No trust me I completely understand and fully expect it out of these forums by now. :P
But I do wonder how many conspiracy theories have to be debunked before the collective mood here calms down and decides to wait for evidence before assuming the worst?
Four million more times. Or, never again if a voice of authority were to take a 30 second time out to 'splain it to us before the conspiracy theorists have a chance to go to work. :P
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inigo, I personally doubt that removing all the mods would do any good to having "our hands seriously full". You are missing my point, there were no conspiracies in the first place. They were Hypothetical Scenarios.
I do appreciate the imput tho...
Long live!
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No trust me I completely understand and fully expect it out of these forums by now. :P
But I do wonder how many conspiracy theories have to be debunked before the collective mood here calms down and decides to wait for evidence before assuming the worst?
Have you never heard of the expression: "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure?"
It wouldn't have taken more than a few minutes to keep people updated as to what the hell has been going on, and all of this flap could have been avoided. No matter how robust your business model may be, poor communications (or a lack of communication at all) will sink you.
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Was it changing the world or selling shrooms ? Hm.
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No trust me I completely understand and fully expect it out of these forums by now. :P
But I do wonder how many conspiracy theories have to be debunked before the collective mood here calms down and decides to wait for evidence before assuming the worst?
never... :( unfortunately.
even if the War on Drugs ended tomorrow..
and they said it was all because of "the Road"..
people would still think you guys are the police!!
crazy.. i know, right??
thanks for the update and your forever maintenance!
we do appreciate you.. most of us. ;)
have a Merry Christmas!!
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Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
To be fair it's far preferable to your own contributions. Honestly your cockney wide boy attitude and "gangster" swagger is boring to the extreme. There is more to life than money and mephedrone! Can you at least tone down the amount of posts ffs!
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Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
To be fair it's far preferable to your own contributions. Honestly your cockney wide boy attitude and "gangster" swagger is boring to the extreme. There is more to life than money and mephedrone! Can you at least tone down the amount of posts ffs!
Says the guy with four posts.
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Critiques?
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Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
To be fair it's far preferable to your own contributions. Honestly your cockney wide boy attitude and "gangster" swagger is boring to the extreme. There is more to life than money and mephedrone! Can you at least tone down the amount of posts ffs!
The irony of this is my little fuck-muffin is that I've done more to "help the community" than 90% of the people on this forum. Who helps the vendors you buy from learn rinse their cash properly so they can carry on their business? Who helps vendors learn how to import weight so they can resell it to you? The one with the wide-boy attitude and the swagger so shut the fuck up and fuck your mother. :)
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I normally just post one liners to try to help other but i have an opinion here and I must try to convey it from my head to virtual paper. These are just my own thought and opinions and are not meant to be argumentative or attack any one person or there own opinion. Please excuse grammar and spelling and my ramblings below!
Well I am surprised by the lack of information from SR. about this topic. We went thru a lot of paranoia with all the down time and the one thing that forum members had said. Keep us in the loop. This will not stop all the conspiracy theories but it would help the seasoned veterans here have piece of mind. I read this post to learn that the mods have been sidelined without an explanation and days latter there is still no answer. In my mind there are reasons to keep things behind closed doors..... you have an ongoing problem that has yet to be completely resolved.... The lack of information suggests there is internal conflicts or legal problems....I seen a post that stated that SR is busy so there is no time to explain in the forums of that the community need not know until the higher powers feel it is the right time....
THE FORUMS ARE PART OF SR COMMUNITY. they may be run separate but the voice of the people is here and here is were the explanations should be given. #1 rule about the drug use in my life was that if it didn't add up, make sense, of feel right then walk away. I have found a great spot here and it has blown my ind in more than one way. The mods or former mods helped me learn and grow which in turn helped me spend money on SR completing the financial reason that SR exists. Weather it is for a revolution or profit SR needs a good customer base,If these forums didn't exist there was no way I would of been able to complete a transaction on SR even with the knowledge, without the reassurance of reading about others success and failures there is no way I could of pulled the trigger on my first order.
I have been instructed time and time again treat this place as if it is already compromised. I try but after reading posts like these I feel I must now take this more seriously. I do not think that SR is compromised but will treat it as such as a major event has occurred without reason or logic that I am aware of. For me to treat SR like it has been compromised means I can make no purchases here until I feel at ease ( normally I don't feel at ease until I have made purchases). I hope that proper information comes from the top on these matters so that I can start to build my trust again that the system is working so I can continue to purchase but for now I will sit with no BTC in my account and no plans to add any until I feel that this matter is explained to the community.
I will watch and wait for awhile before moving past this part of my life I sure hope the explanations start to roll out but if they don't I would like to thank all the former mods and people that act like mods even without the title for making me a smarter person on security issues and making me apart of this community.I know that money is the main motivator for most Vendors but I must thank them for the vision of being brave enough to be part of this as well. Money might motivate but I feel that we all have a common interest. to make drugs more readily available to so we can obtain them in a safer environment than what we are use to. We all have secretly thought it would be cool if our drugs wouldn't be illegal and this site is like watching a cartoon in which anything is possible We have a community to examine each vendor and it is harder for these vendors to deceive clients with a community to gossip of each and ever sale if needed. there are still the constant influx of NOOBS here and we chastise them for there ignorance but we still try to help because we were all there once upon a time. If you asked a member about buying drugs online they would probably respond.... dont get scammed buying BTC, the one thing that is actually legal is one of the biggest pitfalls. I will end my rant by wishing all the members of SR and even the LE reading the forums that Christmas time is upon us SO MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all. For those that don't celebrate Christmas get on board and enjoy the season!
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We have our hands seriously full right now, and the forum is unfortunately just a secondary priority in comparison to the main site.
Sorry, I don't believe you. Look at DPR's profile
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=1
He was logged in to the forum a few hours ago. In fact, if you check his profile regularly, you'll see that he logs in almost every day. So he definitely has time to visit and read the forum. He just doesn't bother to respond.
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Yeah what this guy above said. Lots of rinse and repeat idealism, rinse and repeat "This is what SR is all about maaaaan!" chat, some hippie stuff and some let's hate the government icing on the cake.
Every time there is something to discuss....this is what you hear! The rummmm rummmm rummmmm sound of a washing machine rinsing and repeating.
To be fair it's far preferable to your own contributions. Honestly your cockney wide boy attitude and "gangster" swagger is boring to the extreme. There is more to life than money and mephedrone! Can you at least tone down the amount of posts ffs!
Says the guy with four posts.
4 posts doesn't change the fact that it's true.. Lots of good vibes on these forums but every 15 minutes I see Lim posting some "look how huge my drug/money cock is" type statement.
Reminds me of a limey mtljohn
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Glad I'm in the 10% more invested with the community than Limetless. :P
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Ok Guys not sure how to point this post to clear up everything fact of the matter I cant answer every question asked because the actual facts I'm not sure of 100%. So those that know know the next part of my posting style and how I approach not only each member individually but he community as a whole and that's I'm gonna call it like I see it and that's the best I can do and should be more than enough to calm a few conspiracies.
IDK how DPR wants me to explain the situation but he has always seen the fact that i'm here for the revolution then rest is entertainment and replacing misinformation with true information the most important commodity in the community.
So I'll start by saying I arrived back after my birthday in mid November I took two very much needed weeks vacation because this community is like family to me at this point highly dysfunctional but when challenged you see it's nature is to auto cruise in watching each others backs. I'm very pleased with this as it's what I expect from you guys I've tried to teach you guys that this is are strongest defense and the cure to all attempts against our freedom and the place we treat as home, we coming weekly and gossip, joke, defend and honor each other. All the while with enemies as close to us as we can almost eradicate them from our community with watchful eyes as we pass the days. I'm truly honored to to have been given the chance of fate to get to know many of you quite well. Anyway now that I've shared my happiness with the evolution of the community I'll get to the point of this thread topic.
I arrived and noticed the server for the marketplace was down , well i'd spoke with DPR before my vacation and got the impression a updates was to happen soon when I never know just like you guys but they always are the same. The server is disconnected randomly and never announced , well the veterans know that this happens exactly the same every time and an update occurs. They always have to calm the newer members down because the tinfoil becomes the most precious during these times and as usual no one listens to the vetran members na d the larger we grow the more screaming the sky is falling the less the veterans can be heard and the3 less they even attempt to talk reason. So that first day back with the marketplace disconnected and the forums pure madness with psyops and conspiracy. I knew exactly what i was gonna due...take a third week off. :P
So i spent the day musing over the newbs and tinfoil designs and hanging with the tightest group that IRC crew, we all had a good day it was fun and a lot easier to control the conspiracies and explain the situation. Also I noticed a new person in chat that i began casually sizing up he was speaking often about socio situations and how ppl react in these types of situations he and I realized we were both sizing up the situation and each other trying to figure out the other but not ever actually talking about it. After a few hours of this. He leaves chat and I decided to come post a few random threads and posts trying to calm those that knew I would direct them properly and level headed.After about 30 minutes I noticed previous posts I'd made within the hour were deleted and removed. You guys will remember the trojan clearnet link hysteria. Well this is my honest observation. The mystery chatter was the link poster and starred as both the hero and antihero in the situation as a socio experiment on our own little community to see how everything went down, know if this was LE or a mere hack geek I do not know, I'm guessing the latter. Put from the reaction the mere url gave inspired to further the experiment to an even larger scale and in my eyes to show the fact the forums are transparently unsecure, which personally I dont think it needs to be that secure we hold nothing of value except our communities essence and traits in helping to acclimate new members both vendors and customers. Any way it's my belief as I think Guru told someone I'd shared it with him via encrypted PMs that the forum had a wild card behind the wheel having fun with the community created madness by fueling it more by first trying to remove my helpful information I was sharing.
Then I guess the fact that i could simply take the removed info from the recycle bin back to where i had it originally.I decided I'm done with the weirdness and left for the week. When I returned Marketplace was up and running but the forums were still screwy. I saw I'd been stripped of my mod features, but instantly knew it was not because I'd done something but because I was doing exactly the right think and No SSR staff member demodded me but the pseudo socio engineer since i was the the one with the most overall experience and knowledge it was I suspected to be a continuum of the experiment but in a very sly almost invisible way a reaction from me of rashness and entertainment I was surely to provide lulz being removed of my dedicated and duly deserved respect for the tireless effort I take pride in doing what I can for our community but nomad was not to give this satisfaction and I went on business as usual just with no mod title or actual control. After a day or so of no reaction from me and few posts, I was no fun for him so i believe it was microRNA that was doing what i'd usually be doing and Guru as well, they became the targets, not sure which was first but I had reported back to DPR about this intel I had observed. and he indicated that an investigation was being formed to look into it. I believe DPR thinks it was an inside job and I and outside job but none the less DPR had too remove all power left to investigate.
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IDK if this is something that I should release openly but me being me am gonna saying it so that the house becomes transparent as possible at least from my side. Inside job i'll never buy. microRNA was a dream come true for me as far as, I couldnt have selected a better moderator myself as far as the same passion as me, for the community, in fact i was gonna suggest to DPR he be modded but before I could DPR had seen what I saw and what I believe DPR originally saw in me. Guru was doing an excellent job as well and was a god sent for me, because some of you know I was a 1 man forum moderator for nearly 5 months earlier this year and was on the edge of walking away because it is way too much for any single man to try to handle. I stayed because microRNA and Guru inspired me to stick around with their help I noticed my stress levels greatly decrease and renewal in trying to inspire you guys to work together around here because the day is coming when I have to walk away, sad but true.
So 3 weeks later I'd been contact with DPR trying to see if I could gain any intel and secret mods was the only thing I could gather.
So this is my point of view of the entire last month or so. For now I'm here and I'm back to business as usual. The only reason it took me so long to share this with the community is because i've not been in the forum because I've had strep throat and deathly ill. Had I known you guys were looking for some insight I'd have dropped by and given my reveal.
I want to take this bit of space to thank moksha for helping me with mod reports and the awesome job at spam busting. Rest assure your SR forum staff members are a dream team I've wanted for nearly a year and they care very dearly for the community as do I and deserve equal respect. Now the current state of the community forum staff I dont have the details and It's my opinion it's this way as a security measure and each secret mod knows their job and they take care of business.
This is my account, is it 100% the fact of what occurred, in my mind yes, but I do not know anything that was discovered during investigation or if it is even possibly an ongoing thing. Everyone just continue with your daily as normal DPR is still DPR I am still nomad and Silk Road Is as diverse as ever. I do not think LE had anything to do with this situation and if they did they were way out of their league and over shadowed.
I feel this was a mere socio experiment to show those that live with there eyes wide shut that your safety is in your hands and yours alone so for your well being be safe, be smart and FE is never an option, customer is king do not be scammed as rats are still feeding.
Long Live Silk Road , It's Community and It's Revolution!!!
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nomad bloodbath
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
Yup, I asked in another thread and no one knows about her, and she hasn't responded to my PM. Her profile now doesn't show her gender for some reason, not that's weird okay it's weird. The more I read on this thread the more it smells of LE. And I'm not paranoid so if anybody wants to say that again, you're an idiot. A very slow, very dull little idiot. I'm glad thecrackpot is on board with this btw.
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Glad I'm in the 10% more invested with the community than Limetless. :P
Well you know me man and you'd much rather me be honest and cynical than someone who pretends to be a revolutionary. Everyone has their individual politics. And besides it makes for interesting debates. :D
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Thanks nomad. That also makes sense of the claim about the hacker.
When a post gets deleted, doesn't it tell you who deleted it?
Also, what's a stealth moderator? Every account should have a UID, visible when you visit their profile. Every account should be accounted for.
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
Wait wait wait a fucking second.
Our resident PGP queen is missing? That's a shade worrisome, she was a valuable asset to the safety of this community and it's new members.
pine is a dude ;D
Aww man... and I was all crushing on her cute avatar and awesome brain :P
Oh my fucking God. SelfSovereignty, are you a guy? I was going to call you girl the other day, pmsl. Major major pmsl. How cum you sed dat ting about typtap, lol? Oh God I wet my pants! What did you say? Typtap I love you?? Hey?? Oh my God. but seriously, I'm mildly concerned pine is gone (logically she'd be the first to go, she runs circles around most techies and would naturally prove a headache to LEs), kissbang is gone, and mod got removed because they tried to do something any mod would have done. Smells funny. (Hey SelfSoverignty you just playing around or are you really a guy lol. btw, are you pissed I did this ------- I can't find a down arrow, only an up :( Oh forget it, I'll come back later with a down arrow.)
Piece out shitheads!!! ;) ;) ;) My unlimited love to you all! :)
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Thanks nomad. That also makes sense of the claim about the hacker.
When a post gets deleted, doesn't it tell you who deleted it?
Also, what's a stealth moderator? Every account should have a UID, visible when you visit their profile. Every account should be accounted for.
#1. no removed post do not say who removed them.
#2 moderators are present but all titles are removed so anyone that is a stealth moderator looks like a normal member profile but only when logged in does that moderator have the features exactly the same as if the title was present above the avatar
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# 3 accounting for profiles is not my job that's above me, admins should handle that issue not me.
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Something happened with microRNA too I think. He was a moderator a few days ago but now he's gone. Also Pine is nowhere to be found...
I like this place and I really hope there's some explanation about this.
Wait wait wait a fucking second.
Our resident PGP queen is missing? That's a shade worrisome, she was a valuable asset to the safety of this community and it's new members.
pine is a dude ;D
Aww man... and I was all crushing on her cute avatar and awesome brain :P
Oh my fucking God. SelfSovereignty, are you a guy? I was going to call you girl the other day, pmsl. Major major pmsl. How cum you sed dat ting about typtap, lol? Oh God I wet my pants! What did you say? Typtap I love you?? Hey?? Oh my God. but seriously, I'm mildly concerned pine is gone (logically she'd be the first to go, she runs circles around most techies and would naturally prove a headache to LEs), kissbang is gone, and mod got removed because they tried to do something any mod would have done. Smells funny. (Hey SelfSoverignty you just playing around or are you really a guy lol. btw, are you pissed I did this ------- I can't find a down arrow, only an up :( Oh forget it, I'll come back later with a down arrow.)
Piece out shitheads!!! ;) ;) ;) My unlimited love to you all! :)
LOL...! The typtap thing? I said that after reading, I think precisely one of his posts. He was just rambling philosophically about consciousness and the nature of being, the cosmos as a whole, all that jazz. At first I started rolling my eyes thinking, "oh boy, here we go again... another one of those." Then he threw some science in there, said some things I agreed with, and I was all going "oh wow, I'm impressed. This guy isn't just full of shit." It was just a rollercoaster in a post that was like a full screen long. And by the end, I decided "what a beautiful mind with such beautiful thoughts. I must tell him so!"
... and so I did. And so he quoted me. And that's the story :P
(I am what I am)
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TY for clearing that ^ SelfSovereignty! btw, did anyone notice nomad bloodbath's posts? (Doesn't explain pine though) We both posted at same time, and I took all the attention. Maybe we should go back and read them again. I'll get off the forums so people can read them. Piece out people.
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TY for clearing that ^ SelfSovereignty! btw, did anyone notice nomad bloodbath's posts? (Doesn't explain pine though) We both posted at same time, and I took all the attention. Maybe we should go back and read them again. I'll get off the forums so people can read them. Piece out people.
Was Pine ever an official moderator though?
I cant remember exactly because the new mods and spam busters were like appointed the month before all this bullshit.
Maybe Pine is taking a break there a limit to the hours you can back into a season of the forums.
I never know when i hit my wall and I never say when I'm taking a break but it's a must esp. if you have responsibilities here like moderator of A club like Pines...i mean i understand the club was Pine's deal and logically wouldnt just disappear but irl shit happens.
a Car wreck or anything real. In any case Pine being taken by LE is the closest think to brothers grimm as I can think right now.
IDK maybe I missing alot more than I thought I missed.
time will tell.
X)\
nomad
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Nomad, your the fuckn man. +1 brother 8)
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I don't think she was a mod. She started that PGP Club and a couple other things. Not sure where she gained her education (was wearing a college mortar-board on her you tube vids) but she helped a lot of newbs on SR with security and not getting caught on Tor, frequently contributed on Security and Philosophy, Economic and Law sections. Sounded like she studied International Politics (use of terms and selection of knowledge). If SR was compromised (didn't say it was, didn't say it wasn't, didn't say anything), she'd be the first one to pick up on it, and suggest how to solve it. She wrote a staggering amount of material on teaching us to think independently, and be aware of our environment; not to do stupid things. She's not the type to take a break or just up and go for no reason, so obviously a bit of a concern. Last logged over a month from memory. Don't know why but only the really bad things that usually happen to really good people are the only things that come to mind.
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never knew Pine was a Mod..
and i never thought LE would really want her[him]..
but who knows..
but as Nomad said.. we cannot forget that people have real lives..
outside of this glorious community.. despite popular demand!
Pine could very well have been injured.. or perished. :(
we just do not know what is going on with anyone.
Pine could've been LE the whole time, who knows??
/thumbs
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I've said it before and I'll say it again nomad is one of the only person opinions and views I trust around here. I might not agree with everything he says but he's been nothing but a honest, transparent, mod/member.
I never really thought anything too crazy was going on but with everyone disappearing I couldn't help but think something strange is happening, what? I don't know...I still can't really figure out why everyone is just deleting their accounts or just disappearing but I've never made any wild accusations. It's kind of just the nature of the life style.
I still find it strange that admins have been popping up with no posts and yes, I do realize this is probably just previous admins with new accounts but when you have all the mods disappearing and the down time, I feel we deserve some sort of explanation, that's all just something simple. I'm aware DPR can't update us on every little thing that happens on here for obvious reasons but just a simple explanation would go a long way with stopping the tinfoil hat theories.
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So, I take it not all of you guys lost your mod status and just read up on smf software. Probably learned how to hide your status, lols....
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So can we call this thread done or you guys wanna kept multiple topics going for no real reason?
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nomad
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So can we call this thread done or you guys wanna kept multiple topics going for no real reason?
X)
nomad
So how about that weather guys?
Secretive
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So can we call this thread done or you guys wanna kept multiple topics going for no real reason?
X)
nomad
But these are the best kinds of threads! Totally on topic threads are boring!! ;)